Sunday, March 28, 2010

Ponies for Grownies

 

(Warning: Long post. Grab snacks. Visit the bathroom first)

 

What first comes to your mind when you see this adult man riding this small horse? Be honest.

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I’ve been spending a lot of time thinking about this subject lately. I’ve been digging deeper into my previous opinions and ideas and trying to figure out how they got there in the first place. I’ve also been doing research to discover the truths behind these beliefs and uncover the fallacies behind them as well.

What are the guidelines that prove that a rider is too large for their horse? Is it when the rider’s feet dangle below the horse’s belly or are in line with the horse’s knees?

            (Photo borrowed from the internet) 

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If that’s the case, there are many adults riding horses or ponies that are too small for them.

Including me.   

Recently, my neighbor friend, Val emailed me and one of the things she said stood out with me. When I first came back to horses, she invited me to ride her 26 year old Arabian mare, Nadia, to help build my confidence and to be my equine teacher.

(Photo of Val riding Annie, me riding Nadia and Val’s daughter riding Scout, on a trail ride)

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I did ride Nadia quite a few times and she always took good care of me. She was quiet, patient and never argued with me. Nadia is one of those ‘worth her weight in gold’ horses.

(My twinling, Jax riding Nadia bareback, practicing Polocrosse with Val in her arena)

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But I didn’t give Nadia the respect she deserved. In that email, Val said to me, “You thought that Nadia was too small for you”. And she was right.

(Photo of me riding Nadia, at night, in Val’s arena)

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Nadia is only 14.2-14.3hh., but all these years, I believed that because I’m a tall gal, I needed a horse 15.1hh or taller.

Then last week, Leah of Barn Door Tagz left me a comment on my Sunday Stills ~ Orange post that got me thinking even more about how most people look at adults who ride small horses or ponies.

Leah said about the photo below, “That little black horse doesn't look too happy. The guy looks like if he straightened out his legs, he could walk with the horse still under him.”

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(In this photo, he doesn’t seem too tall for his mount at all. I think it’s the Clydesdale that makes everyone else seem small. The middle horse is actually a 15.3hh appendix-QH mixed with Thoroughbred)

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But I must admit, that I, too, used to snicker, or feel sorry for the equine, when I saw a tall adult riding a small horse or pony. Kind of like the cheerleader in school laughing at the nerd. Yep. That was me. And I’m not proud.

(Photo borrowed from the internet. A man riding a Mongolian Horse)

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I’ve turned my nose up at many small horses even before Nadia, believing that they were too small for me. Mostly thinking that I looked silly on their backs, not that they weren’t strong enough, or capable enough of carrying me. In hindsight, I feel guilty about that. I realize now that by snubbing the small horse or pony as a suitable mount for me, I was closing and locking the door to the possibility of finding my dream horse. What a shame.

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I understand now that I was more worried about how good I looked on a horse, and how proportionate the horse and I were together, than my own comfort and safety.

And after I rode little Rosie a few times, I made sure to pose the question to my readers, “Is she too small for me?” All of you, except one, said, “No” and even the one who said Rosie was sort of on the small side for me, said we still looked good.

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So, that was an eye opener for me and helped change my opinions and options in considering a small horse or pony as my future riding partner.

Then there was Atta Bay. She is actually smaller than Rosie and not as stout. So I was concerned again about how she might be able to carry me and how I might look on her.

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I should never have worried because Atta Bay has an extra engine in that compact body, and more than enough fuel to get the job done. She likes to go, go go and never once seemed incapable of carrying me.

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And I think at that point, that I was starting to get comfortable with being on and seeing me on a small horse, and as I studied the photos taken of me during our rides, I didn’t think I looked too Paul Bunyan-like on their backs either.

(But if I thought I did, I’d be out shopping for a giant blue ox)

In addition, I was seriously appreciating the easier mounting and dismounting. Being that I have hip dysplasia in both hips and now have a gimpy knee, it’s important for me not to put even more strain on these poor joints. I’m only 43 yrs old and they need to last me throughout the second half of my life. Surgery is just not an option. Too painful, too expensive, and too long to heal. And afterwards, the joints still aren’t the same as they were in my twenties.

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Taken in part from: Ponies for Grownies

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“Just because a person has reached some specific age does not mean that they instantly lose the magic of riding ponies or a short horse 15 hh and under. A good many adults don't ride smaller horses or ponies because they feel that they would look funny or that it might not be strong enough to carry them.

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Sometimes adults will over mount themselves on horses. We don't expect a child to be capable of controlling a large horse, so why should an adult expect that, because of their age or height, they must only ride a tall horse?

            (A birthday gift from Jenna’s best friend)

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Ponies and horses under 15 hands are perfect for riders more comfortable on a compact, sturdy, shorter equine. They can help people regain their confidence in riding, and help them more easily and safely mount and dismount, which is also better for the horse or pony, too. Riding a smaller equine provides the opportunity for riders to continue enjoying a favorite sport and pastime, which can be an important psychological need for an adult rider.

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In today's market, the shorter equine is often the better buy. With their sturdiness, lower metabolism, strong feet, longer life span, and usually good temperaments, the smaller equine is often the perfect investment for the adult rider as well as a child. There are also many easy to ride gaited horse breeds which are typically 15hh and below.”

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So, how much weight can a small horse or pony carry?

Taken in part from: Ice Rider 

There are a few methods to use to calculate how much weight a horse can carry.

One is simplistic: A rough guide to how much weight a horse can carry is to take the horse's weight (in lbs) divide by six --this equals the total weight the horse can carry, including tack. Or the 20% Rule: 1000 lb horse can carry 200 pounds.

Another formula is based on measuring the bone:

When people speak of a horse's "bone", they are referring to a measurement taken at the circumference of the foreleg, just below the knee. Horses have very slim legs, and a great deal of weight and mass to carry, so the quality of their support structures is very important.

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The foreleg circumference measurement can help determine the horse's ability to carry weight. A light-boned or refined horse will be limited in weight carrying capacity. A regular-sized horse with "good bone" can measure 21.75cm (8 1/2 inches) or more.

The maximum weight a horse can carry safely varies according to the breed of the horse and its usage. There is no absolute rule about how much weight a horse can carry, but generally speaking the lighter-framed the horse with the longer back, the less he can carry.

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Native ponies are very strong and even some of the individuals in the small breeds are capable of carrying adults without difficulty. It is much easier for a horse to carry a fit, well-balanced rider, than an unfit, overweight unbalanced rider, even if they both weigh the same.

Quality of bone is more variable. Some horses that have had poor nutrition, over-fed, or over-stressed at a young age may have poor quality bone; in this case, even a good external measurement may be inaccurate in regard to weight carrying ability. Some of the smaller breeds are known for the quality of their bones: Arabians, for instance.

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I must admit that I did have concerns about Apache’s height and ability to carry me. I wondered if we would be a good fit when I first started riding her. She is about the same size as Atta Bay, about 14.2hh, but stocky with substantial bone.

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I even contacted my friends, Dan & Betty for their opinion. They live about 45 minutes from me and have a blog called, “Dan and Betty's Place”. They also own and ride an Icelandic gelding named Morgunn and a Rocky Mountain mare named Sugar. Stop by their blog and say Howdy sometime.

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Betty is an inspiration to me as she also went through a horrible riding accident on the Icelandic mare she used to own, and she lost a year to healing from painful injuries and surgeries.

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Dan’s Icelandic gelding, Morgunn is 13.2-13.3hh, so some folks might consider him a pony. But when Dan is riding Morgunn, he doesn’t look like he’s riding a pony. Morgunn is strong, stocky, with solid bone and fully capable of carrying a tall, adult man like Dan.

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Last summer Val and I drove down for a visit. And she had the privilege of riding Morgunn (More photos from that visit are HERE , and a video, too) and experiencing the unique Icelandic Horse gait called the Tolt.

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I don’t think she looks as if she’s riding a pony either.

 

So, now I’m not going to doubt that Apache and I are a good match. And even though I would have bought Apache anyway, just for the way that she takes such good care of my kidlets, and for the special bond that my daughter Jenna has with her, from now on I won’t ever judge an equine by it’s size, or poke fun of an adult rider who has chosen a small horse or pony as their special mount.

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(And I think I owe sweet Nadia a handful of carrots as an apology)

And finally, just for laughs.

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And as a reward for reading through this entire post……..if you leave me a comment with a funny caption for this photo, I’ll choose my favorite one and send the winner a prize!!!!!! Contest ends Friday April 2nd at noon MST!



53 Comments:

Danielle Barlow said...

Here in the UK, we all ride ponies! Most of our native breeds were bred to carry weight, even little ones like the dartmoor. I have ridden 12.2hh dartmoor ponies most of my life, and my old mare would pull like a train, jogging across the moor all day with me on board. It is only now, fatter and heavier than I once was, that I feel it is time to move up to a 13.2hh.
You go girl, Apache and you look perfect!

Susan said...

I think a horse's size depends on a few things. The most important thing is how heavily is s/he going to be used. There's got to be some kind of a limit on weight, but I think horses are stronger than we think if taken care of.

If you ever start doubting that Apache is your horse look at the first pictures you posted of her when your friend was trying her out. Look at the mistrust and uncertainty in her eyes. Then look at the next post where you are riding her. Her eyes are soft and her whole demeanor has changed. I think she knew before you did that she was coming home.

The picture is hilarious. I'll have to think for a while on a caption.

Mrs Mom said...

Well, my brain is fried a bit right now, but that last shot Cracked. Me. Up! ;)

Nothing like riding a weiner huh? (Sorry... lol)


I grew up riding a lot of horses-- loads of them were over 15 hands, but two of the BEST I ever rode were Jack, my old Appy who was 14.3, and a Mustang named Skippy who was all of 13.2. Both were strong, had heavy bone, and like Atta Bay, extra motors. Long after the 15 hand and up crowd wore out, those two would still be going strong...

As to Icies--- they rock!! In FACT--- you've seen the pix of Dear Husband- he isn't tiny by any means. We used to trim a small herd of Icelandics, and the owner offered us a ride on them one day. Of course, we took it, just to see what they were like.

Dear Husband's mount was a small narrow white guy. (Cant remember his name though...) I swear-- I wish I had my camera then, because to see the two of them gaiting away... well, let's say that Dear Husband's shoulders were wider than that horse's butt, but that little horse carried him all around with no problem at all.

I don't know who was having more fun- Dear Husband or that cute Icy!!

Live and learn huh? ;)

Rubs to that sweet mare from us!

lisa said...

You sure are right, I think there has just been a few times that I have laughed when I have seen that, like when the hubby tried getting up on my first horse and he was just getting ready to buck and the husband just had to step off and that was it, he was back on the ground easily. He looked big on my Bo but it sure made it easy for him to jump off when he needed to;)

Sydney said...

When I was in university our instructor said as a safety guideline always assume the horse only can comfortably carry 20% of his weight. There are factors more important than bone mass etc like conformation and certain traits make for weaker backs, legs, neck etc. Could go into them but thats a whole post in itself.

A horse can pull 3 times his weight and sometimes more once the vehicle he is pulling starts to roll. The hardest part about pulling a cart is stopping and starting.

Oh and a caption for that picture: I assure you my wiener is friendly

:P

Dan and Betty Cooksey said...

I appreciate the nice comments. You know what they say, "Good things come in small packages."

Dan

Mellimaus said...

Mmm, I can't think of a caption...maybe later.

My Daisy is 14.2hh, and I'm 5'9", and I ride her.
Smaller horses don't always have better temperament...it amazes me how many ponies my trainer has gone through trying to find a good kid's pony. Ponies tend to be pretty stubborn and likely to misbehave, which is a shame considering how great their height is for kids. Daisy may be 14.2, but I ride her because no way will she EVER be a children's mount; there's no way, even if she's short. I love horses no matter what size...I suppose I prefer drafts, though. One day, I'll have one :)

You and Apache together look great! Not silly at all :)

Lori Skoog said...

I read the whole thing! My title is "Hot Dog!"

Lisa,you do not need to worry about Apace being suitable and all your documentation confirms that. What a find.

Rising Rainbow said...

Funny you should post about this, my friend, Bev, and I just had a lengthy discussion about this same subject.

I think the weight of the rider is much more important than height. I've ridden and even shown smaller horses, 14.2 or so clear up to 16 hands. The older I get the more I like the shorter ones. They're easier to get on, closer to the ground should I fall off (well you never can tell, sometimes my dismounts are not graceful even when not horse induced!) oops forgot to mention I am a little over 5'10"

Arabians are known to be able to carry more weight because of their compact frame.

That pic is too funny. All I can think about is how miserable it would be to post on a horse with legs that short. OUCH! and they thought ponies had a rough trot!

Maery Rose said...

When I worked at a trail riding stable, I had to ride the ponies used for pony rides, new ones and bad ones, from time to time for a tune up. Some of them, my feet almost touched the ground. Some people thought that was cruel but those ponies were tough little buggers and someone has to make sure they are safe. I always felt as long as I felt comfortable on the horse, they were the right size. And I do like not having to climb onto my 16.2 hand Oldenburg anymore.

Flartus said...

Great post, lots of good points. I trust that the rider can sense how much strength their mount has, and I assume those stocky little ponies are surprisingly strong!

I don't have a good caption for that last picture, though I am wondering where one finds a dachshund-sized bridle, and what kind of bit one uses!

jane augenstein said...

Lisa, you and Apache look great together, you don't look too big for her! I like Gilly's height but I sometimes with I had my little mare, Copper back. She was only 14 hands but pretty sturdy and could go up and down hills like a mountain goat!!! I am 5'8" so at times I felt like I was to big for her but she didn't think so! She was the one I posted about that pulled the sleigh, loved her.

The picture is too funny!

"Low Rider Weinersteiner, wide back for comfort and low to the ground for easy dismount!"

Jocelyn said...

Daschunds, the new German Warmblood.

I have tons, I could go on and on!

Lisa: I can honestly say that STAR will be the LAST tall horse I EVER own. I want 15 h MAX next time around,

StefRobrts said...

Great post. You know I am learning, learning, learning. I absorb everything that comes along in the hopes that someday it will all come together.

I had a nice visit with a lady at a farm tour this weekend who also didn't learn to ride until she was 35, so she came into horses late. I talked to her about my experiences and how I still had that dream of having a horse, but that maybe it wasn't the most practical thing. She told me not to give up on my dream just yet, that it was so worthwhile for her to have that relationship with horses that she'd always dreamed of. She said there was just nothing like bonding with a horse.

Someday maybe I'll find a perfect, stocky little horse to take easy trail rides with and love on :) You are living the dream, girl!

Nuzzling Muzzles said...

My caption: "Lookin' Dasching."

While I was riding today I could clearly see from my perch the horses that the neighbors board next door, and I was shocked to see that all three of them had severe swayback. I wondered if they were all just extremely old horses or if they had been ridden too often. I looked at Lostine to make sure I hadn't left a dent like that in her back, but her curve is barely noticeable at the age of 22. Then I wondered if the extreme swayback could be caused by years of being ridden in ill fitting saddles. Then I thought perhaps it is genetic and all those horses are related. I'd be more worried about seeing people riding horses with such an extreme curvature in their spine. Ponies are tough animals. Oh yeah, and I ride my dogs all the time too... Midge actually was born with a "fairy saddle" on her back. I can't resist sitting on that. (And no, I don't put any weight on her. I've got to be careful about my jokes or I'll get the Animal Rights Activists after me.)

Beth said...

"All my friends know the Low Rider"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iffDvXTcm8 :D

I have just changed my mind about ponies too. I never thought I would want a horse under 15 hh, but I have been getting my confidence back on haffies. They are way shorter than that. And I am not a tall person, I am only 5'4" and have short legs to boot. I never really wanted a tall horse, although I have a 16.3 hh Percheron and feel way over horsed on her. My new horse is 14.3 hh, I almost wish I got a pony now!

Lisa said...

Your post was very interesting as I too have seen people I thought were too big for their horse. The horse I recently bought is HUGE and although I do love him dearly in retrospect I would never have bought such a big boy. I'm used to about 15 and that is just fine with me. It does make me sad sometimes when I see someone reallyl large on a small horse. I feel bad for the horse.

Caption: "What is in this dog food?"
Lisa

EvenSong said...

Caption:
"With his 'parked out' stance, maybe I should be riding saddle seat??"
(I like Jocelyn and Jane's too!)

Lisa, most of my herd are stocky but not too tall--I think that, and thickness of bone and the proportion/length of the back, are more important in determining suitability than mere height. And the small models are often much more maneuverable. It should also be noted that round self-carriage and impulsion from behind (rather than high-headed and hollow-backed) will insure longevity in a smaller horse, too.
But, as you've found with Apache, disposition trumps all!

Caitlin said...

I understand your concern completely but if Apache isn't telling you that your too much then your probably okay.

I'm 5'10 and my mare is a very short-backed 15 hand Arab. I often find myself wondering if I'm too tall for my girl and every time I see a picture of myself up on her back I feel awkward just looking at it. But, to counter the way I think I look, I know she carries me without any difficulty and that her breed and build help her carry my weight. Only when I ride bareback do my feet get in the way of her legs. If she was any taller I also couldn't mount up from the ground when she gets a bit dancey. Being on really tall horses has only ever made me feel uncomfortably aware of how far away the ground is.

Dunappy said...

I look at that and think, Man why wasn't I smart enough to get a bunch of short ones like that? I'm so short that I cannot even get on my girl Topper with out a step stool. Baby Girl is not quite as tall, but she's fairly tall. When I rode Roany pony, even my sister joked that she was just my size. I don't think that size matters as much as some people think it does.

Sydney said...

Don't have to publish this

Lisa: If you can find a way to figure out how to get to Ireland and find out if they would charge you etc to stay (Cause I would share a house/apartment there with ya) go for it! I would love to meet ya and have pictures taken of me too though I do have a handy, dandy camera remote.

Christina said...

Informative post for sure.

I've always wanted to ride and icelandic or a fjord. And I just love those stocky little haflingers.

How bout this for a caption:
"Would you like fries with that?"

allhorsestuff said...

Too funny ! What an assortment of pics!! There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that Patchy mare is at home now with you and your family. The softness of her eye around you all...huge diff from the first pictures you showed of her being ridden!

My Mare's therapist told me, after she had gone to study with vets from the Olympic team that there is a rider weight that is right for horses..think Sydney may have that correct, but I will ask her again.

Caption : Jan was about to win first place in the Weiner pleasure class....
KK

Janice said...

i can't see the pic it won't load but i would leave you a comment anyhow. Good post. I never thought any of those horses or Apache were too small for you. I'm glad you like your Mirror hang. I messed up on it though, I think Sydney and I kind of miscommunicated a little, I wanted it to have a silver concho to match the bead. Oh well I like them anyhow.

Reddunappy said...

Body mass does make a lot of differnce in what they can carry. My Emma is 14.3 and close to 1200lbs., Mickey is 14.3 and just under 1100lbs., but Emma makes two of Mickey in body mass and bone mass! Mickey has tiny petite bones where Emma has size and substance. I.E. Mickey wears a 00 shoe and Emma wears a size 1, same height, but so very different.
I dont think you look to big for Apache at all! (I still want to call her Scout for some reason LOL Maybe because of Tontos horse Scout LOL)

Oh and my caption " This is the next winner of the Weiner Nationals!Back off Barbie!"

Paint Girl said...

I always thought I wanted a bigger horse, 15.2 or over. But once I got Brandy, who is 14.3, I actually like her size! It is so much easier getting on and dismounting. Fritzy is about 15.1 and the horse I've been riding at work is 15.3+, I have a hard time getting on him! But the real reason I have always wanted a taller horse, is because I have such long legs, and I felt that I looked funny on a shorter horse. But when I see pictures of me riding Brandy, I don't look big on her at all. She looks so short when I am standing on the ground next to her.
We have some pretty big horses at the farm, and some that are a little small, it sometimes makes me laugh when the head trainer is riding some of the smaller ones, he looks so big on them!
That last picture is so funny!!
"You must give the wiener a try, if you want the ride of your life!" I am so not good at quotes!! LOL!

Breathe said...

I miss only one aspect of my previous horse - he was shorter. I don't care how I look on a horse anymore. I care about how we work together. Everything else has faded, thanks to the bucking nightmare that was Canyon - gorgeous horse that was ready to put his next victim in a hospital.

Caption: Dare to Dream, Mr. Weinie. Dare to Dream.

Ishtar said...

The barbs are often underestimated because of their petite size, but they are strong and hardworking. I know the feeling of feeling too big for your horse, but with Arwen, I never do because she is always so full of energy. And I am obviously not keeping her back!

I'm happy to see you with Apache, and looking forward to what you grow together during the coming year!!

phaedra96 said...

My Fjords are 14.2, the mutt is 14.1 and the Qh is 15.1. Guess who never gets ridden? Too far too fall and I do not bounce anymore. I think height does not matter as much a the capability of the horse(or pony). I rode my little Welsh stallion all over-lo, those many years ago-he was 12.2 and did not miss a beat. I am 5'6" and weighed alot more then than now. I would never have if he could not have handled me and the saddle. He was a good boy. RIP,Dusty!

phaedra96 said...

Oh, caption--"Captain Schnitzel knew he was in for a long, hard ride, but on Fritzi he knew he would conquer the terrain and win!"

small farm girl said...

I'm like you, give me a good, short, stocky horse anyday. Infact, I'm going to sell my horse so that I can get a shorter horse. It's not that she is so tall,15.2,I'm just so short. lol.

Caption: "And the blue ribbin weiner is.........."

Tammy said...

"Does this dog make my butt look big?"

My son's horse, Butter, is 14.2hh. She is a stocky quarter horse and although short in the withers, I ride her quite frequently and I am 5'9". Here is a pic of us:
http://horsetrailriders.blogspot.com/2009/02/riding-out-of-january.html

My husband's mare, Ginger, (Windy's dam) is only 14.3hh and that is really the only horse John has rode for 10 years. My gelding, Blue, is 15hh and outweighs the mares by 300 pounds. Think about him carrying a rider PLUS his own weight. Seems like a harder job than Butter carrying just me. Windy is right under 15.1hh, but she is very narrow chested and slim built. I wouldn't want her any smaller for me because of that.

I think it truly has more to do with the horse's conformation & how it is bred than its actual height at the withers. I have seen some horses that are perhaps the same height as Butter, but are narrow chested & hipped & does not look like it should take a rider my size. And I think we have seen people on these horses who shouldn't be & we know what it looks like.

You do not look too big on Apache. She looks like she is built a lot like Butter. Stout and strong.

Ice Pony Girl said...

I LOVE....love Huginn, my 13.2 hand Icelandic Horse gelding!

When I ride him...I feel like I am on a power horse! Huginn is a strong, stocky little guy.

I love to fly down the trails with his mane blowing in my face and tickling my hands.

He is my heart...my strength, my freedom, my wings, and my friend!

I ride a pony, because heart is not measured in hands.

Ice Pony Girl...love her little Ice Pony!!

Lisa said...

At 5'11", I soo can relate! I think that really one of the very few horses that I have looked in proportion to was 16.3! I don't know about you, but when I was coming up, my height was always commented on and there really weren't many other females my height-so I was always very conscious of my height, sleeve lengths, etc. Maybe that was true with you as well? My mare is only
15 hands so I also wondered if we were a good match (especially since I can reach over her back and down a bit to brush the opposite side...did I mention I was conscious of sleeve length and arm length????). However, as a Missouri Fox Trotter, she is tough gal and has carried me pretty well for a couple of years now. :)

Ohh that your photo showed an Irish Wolfhound instead of a Dachshund...I'd have plenty of comments for you. I could just repeat what we hear about our IW, Mr. Big, and the oft repeated "where is his saddle?"! comments!

Janice said...

I just saw your funny pic. I would say.C'mon you can stretch just a little.......more........

Andrea -Mustang Saga said...

As I age I definitely appreciate our average height mustangs. I'm not short at 5'8" but my gelding is 15.2 and I wish he was shorter. My husband's horse is much nicer to mount, and stronger, at 14.3. He's built to carry more weight than my taller, longer backed horse. I hope my colt isn't going to get any taller but at 2 years old I think I'm probably going to see him grow some more. Darn it.

Years ago I had a horse that I had to sell because I was too fat and she never grew big enough to carry me. So I bought an 18 hand draft. That was silly. Besides, she thought I weighed a ton and would grunt and complain, whereas the little mustang I'd sold was totally happy to pack me around. I do love the drafts, but I'd be looking for a real short one if I was shopping now. I wouldn't buy a horse over 15.2 unless it was the absolute perfect, made of gold horse.

Lisa said...

"Here badger,badger,badger..." ;)

oregonsunshine said...

Captions:

"The Judges for this year's combined eventing show realized that Judge Jennifer needed her prescription adjusted as this animal was CLEARLY not suitable for jumping the designated course."

-or-

"Fox hunting, not just for horses any more"

-or-

"Fox hunting tradition meets GMO dog food"

-or-

"Thumbelina takes up new sport of riding Runt Seat"

-or-

"Poor Becky's thighs and rear were sore after jumping her Weiner all day"

I'm sure I'll have a ton more as the day wears on! LOL

Merri said...

I also learned, from packers, the rule that a horse can carry 20% of its body weight and a mule can carry 25%. sheesh I've seen some Arabians carry more than that on Tevis, and finish, and go on to have a long career and live long. I think they are much stronger than we think (especially some of those tough ponies!), but I think that weight rule is a good one to go by.
- The Equestrian Vagabond

KD said...

Hey Lisa...welcome to the world of ponies.... you know I love my little 14.1 girl! You have made a wonderful choice and now have come to appreciate shorter horses. I'll be checking in on ya from time to time. XO, KD

horsemom said...

I guess I'll have to post a pic of me and Cass so you can see how funny we look! She's 15.3 but I'm
611 so my feet hang a little below her belly. But her previous, although much shorter than me, outweighs me by at least 50lbs so while I may look funny height wise, she was over the 20% rule and I'm not, but I'm the one the gets the pony comments. Being tall stinks!

Leah Fry said...

I don't think you are too big for Rosie or Apache. Poco is only 14.2 and he's powerful enough to carry a large man, which his former owner was. Depends on the horse. You look great on Apache.

Ed said...

Great post.
caption: And in last place again, in the Steeplechase, again...Mr. Schnitzel..

Shirley said...

Lisa, I'm almost as tall as you, and Beamer is just over 14-2. As far as weight goes, it's more important how you ride than the size of your horse- if you ride like a sack of potatoes, even a big strong horse will have trouble carrying you, but if you ride in rhythm and balance, you can ride a small horse without worries. I used to have a Welsh pony for my daughter that the adults would ride, she became adept at dumping them; she'd just turn sharply and they'd sail off!
My caption- What did they put in those horse crunchies?

horsemom said...

oops. I meant 6'1, not 6'11! That would really look ridiculous!

The Wades said...

I bet N accepts your apology--no problem. Carrots solve any issues.

I love how much thought you put into horses. You have learned so much through your journey.

I can see why you would think a taller person needs a taller horse. I probably have thought that myself through the years. (Being a tall chick myself.)

The Wades said...

Oh, and I have no funny caption. Hmmm.

"Doggone, my horse horse is short!"

So lame. I know.

CTG Ponies said...

Love that last shot! And I like the smaller horses but I'm 5 feet tall. I can't get on anything taller than about 15 hands from the ground. Jet is 14 hands and I love his size.

cdncowgirl said...

Haven't read all the comments so sorry if this has been mentioned already:
Something else to consider is that smaller equines tend to be sounder, or remain sound for longer periods. Generally speaking if you take 2 horses of the same breed with similar care and workload but different heights the smaller of the 2 does better as far as soundness.

IMO the main reason for considering size is the horses job. Those 16+ Warmbloods don't do nearly as good a job working cattle as the little 14.2 "cowponies". ;)

Gail said...

How in the world did I miss this post??? My Haflinger will be fun for you to ride. I like her because it is not too far to the ground, just in case...

Rosslyn said...

How about, "Get along, Little Dawgy"

Barb said...

I'm a little late getting to this post as I only recently found your blog. Love the blog, btw.

I would like to add to this conversation that the 1984 Olympic 3 Day event was won by a 6'4" New Zealander riding a 15.3h horse. It wasn't a fluke as the pair won again 4 years later when the horse was 16 years old. I'm referring to Mark Todd and Charisma:
http://www.horsetalk.co.nz/news/2008/05/151.shtml

Mark's feet were literally hanging beneath Charisma's belly and he had to make sure HE didn't clip the poles, lol!

I'll be stopping by again - often! Lovely blog.

Emily said...

Hello, what a great blog, and how well you address such an important but sometimes confusing topic!

I first had some thoughts about what factors go into choosing the right "size" but now that I'm starting to try to put it to words, I'm going to have to think about it more!

Thanks for inspiring some deep thinking on this subject :)

Oh, and Karen O'Connor's pony Teddy was an inspiration to so many pony lovers: http://www.oconnoreventteam.com/ocet/OCET_Horses/Theodore_OConnor.aspx

Emily

PS I'm glad you aren't worrying any more about what other people think. If your heart says it's right, then that's all that matters :)