Forget about it!
(said in one of those New York Cabby voices)
Yeh, I'm older, (but not as old as dirt) and my body likes to remind me sometimes...well most of the time, but usually my heart and mind still feel as young as spring grass.
A few years ago, I got alot more focused on bringing forth my dreams of having my own horse, into reality. It was about time, after waiting 40 birthdays without my ribbon-wrapped pony waiting in the backyard.
This past Spring all the planets moved into alignment and my painted girl, Baby Doll moved onto the Laughing Orca Ranch. Horse Ownership is much different than I thought it would be. Easier in some ways and more challenging in others.
I look forward to my horse greeting me at the gate and stopping so I can wrap my arms around her soft, warm neck. I love when she nickers or whinnies and lifts her ears up when she hears me in the house or in the backyard.
And grooming my pretty horse is so satisfying and also relaxing, in a strange sort of zen-like way.
The challenging part involves respect, trust, confidance and behavior issues.
My perfect horse seems to have developed a case of barn sour.
Yes, I can cowgirl up and admit some of the blame. I ride my sour girl less than 10 times a month and usually in the round pen, arena or up in the pasture. She rarely gets out to the trails, unless I ride with my neighbor friend, Val. And Val works alot and is oftentimes too busy to trail out on the horses. I don't yet feel confidant enough to head out by myself, and Baby Doll surely must feel that, too.
About a week ago, Val and I took Baby Doll and her 13 yr old Appy/Pinto, Scout out on the trails. We started out pretty good, except Scout is quite attached to his own herd and kept calling out to them as we walked. Baby Doll was fine though and we even took a new route up a steep, rocky, narrow trail. She went up smooth and calm, even walking up slow so I didn't get knocked out by the branches growing across the trail. When we got to the top of the trail, the owner of the land walked out and asked about the branches and even promised to trim them. I thought that was really nice of him, considering we were riding on his land.
We then headed east down the gravel road, towards the direction of home. Baby Doll wanted to walk faster and kept trying to steal her head away from me. We were going to head down a steep hill, which leads straight towards home, but I got a really bad feeling about it because of the way that both Scout and Baby Doll were acting. Scout was still calling out to his herdmates back at his barn, and Baby Doll started calling to her herdmates, too (was she calling out to the llamas, goats and sheep? I have no idea). They were both jigging and prancing toward the steep downhill and I kept envisioning us going over like the proverbial canoe dropping over the waterfall.
So, we turned the horses around because I remembered a rocky trail that I had taken the llamas down just a few days earlier. Val went down first with Scout, while I had to keep control of Baby Doll who would have easily galloped down that hill, on Scout's spotted butt, otherwise.
When they got to the bottom, Baby Doll and I picked our way down the rocky trail. When we got to the bottom, I was hoping to take a moment and stop, but Scout wanted to keep moving and so did Baby Doll.
We reached 'Sunflower Lane' as I call it because the road is lined by a thick line of sunflowers in the summer. The horses like to try and snatch bites of the flowers as we walk past. The best thing to do is to keep them moving.
At this one point on Sunflower Lane, we can turn east and head straight to our barns, or go south or west and head off on more trails.
We decided to walk some more trails, but Baby Doll decided right then to yank her head and turn towards home, which totally caught me off guard.
Then all hell broke loose.
When I turned her away from the barn, she decided that she'd just walk backwards to the barn instead. Not a good idea because of all the evil thorned cholla cacti growing in that area. After stopping her from backing by turning her around, she then decided that turning was better than going forward, too. Her forward gear was broken...unless we faced the barn.
And worst of all, Val had come down into the ditch where I was now stuck spinning and backing like a whirling dervish, and Scout started acting up, too. He spun around and then backed his spotted butt right into a huge evil Cholla (which later that night we discovered it had left a number of painfully long thorns into his tender hide).
I was getting frustrated and Val saw that we were going nowhere fast, so she suggested that we head back to her barn...but not reward Baby Doll by untacking her and putting her away in the barn, lest she think her sour behavior got her there. No. When we got back, Val mounted Baby Doll, and I got up on her 25 year old Arabian mare, Nadia.
Sweet friend of mine, Val, wanted to work Baby Doll for a while out in the 'back forty' pastures. She could hopefully find out what Baby Doll's triggers are and what my painted girl's reactions to them are, too.
As she rode her around, jogging, I walked calmly on Nadia. Everytime my horse faced towards home, she fought it by trying to steal her head back, yanking her head and neck, snorting and doing crow hops. It was quite painful to watch.





I've been reading several books on horse training and trail riding recently just to educate myself and help me understand what may be the best courses of action. I've tried a few out on my horse, especially stretching her neck on both sides because she does seem to be stiff, especially when I'm trying to pull her neck to one side with one rein, as I'd do for a one rein stop.
This stiffness and balkiness also makes it difficult to work on disengaging her hip, too.
So, now you know why I'm crying on my birthday. Be careful what you wish for. Things aren't always what they seem. Life is full of challenges. Bah!
Yeh, I know that working through these challenges will make me a better rider and it might even be what I need. If I survive, I'll probably be more confidant and my horse and I may finally be partners in the saddle, not just on the ground.
But right now, it's my birthday, and I just want some whine with my cake.
(ps, of course, if you've got some helpful advice, tips or support, please leave me a comment. Thanks.)
33 comments :
I have spent the morning reading through your posts. What a treasure!
Happy Birthday, too! And don't worry about the problems with your dear Baby Doll. Our experience has been that you just keep plugging away at it, and the problem will work itself out.
(Unfortunately, our experience has also been that as soon as the original problem works itself out it is immediately replaced by another. LOL!)
I was especially taken by your information about the Churro sheep. I'm hoping that next year I can add a wether to my little flock, and think it would be wonderful if it were one of these old, old breeds.
Yeah, I know...next spring is nearly a year away but isn't planning half the fun??
Again, thank you for such an interesting blog. Had a blast reading it!
Happy Birthday dear young friend! Enjoy your cake but forget the whine. It never really makes one feel better. I should know.
Never fear, we WILL get Dolly behaving. We should schedule some real times for riding together. If I have a commitment, I'll be more inclined to ride my own horses more too.
Oh I'm so sorry you are having trouble with her! I've had horses go sour on me - it's frustrating. I'd try a snaffle on her - I still ride my show horses in a snaffle day in and day out - and if they give me difficulties with their head (wanting to keep it up and out of my control) either draw reins or tie down. Or try a bosal (would sort of be like your bitless bridle but it's made out of rawhide - you can wrap it with electrical tape to keep it from rubbing - and it's gentler than a hackmore) - maybe just a change in her headgear would be more interesting for her? Hope this helps.
Kris
I can't help you with the horse, but I can say HAPPY BIRTHDAY!! :)
Happy Birthday! The whole 40's are wonderful.
That sour horse thing can be corrected and it will be well worth it. She's a beautiful mare.
Happy Birthday! I'm sure that between you and your instructor you will figure out her problem and it will all come together in time. Meanwhile have a great day and a huge slice of cake and just enjoy all your family, friends and critters for the day.
Happy Birthday Friend!
Happy birthday! Mine was Monday but besides being healthy I didn't feel like I had much to celebrate so I didn't mention it. I had a good pity party too! Seems like the thing to do on a birthday. I'm confident you'll get things worked out with Baby Doll.
Happy Birthday,
Sorry your horse is pushing your buttons. When I was "rehabbing" my rescued demon of an appy I would take long walks through the woods and trails and field on a lead rope. Your horse may be asting like this because she doesn't see you as part of her herd, and ceratinly not her herd boss. I would spend lots of time with her. Rewarding her for good behavior and reprimanding for bad, and making the difference very clear.
When my appy wants to turn around to misbehave I also carry a little crop. If he refuses to go forward with a little tap and leg presure I will circle him until he is tired and urge him forward. When he goes forward I reward him with a good boy and a pat. I want your trial rides to be fun and pleasurable. SOmetimes when out in the field of trail I will get off and let him graze for a few at my permission. It really can work, but you need to be confident, have good riding skills to ride through some tantrums and also know your horses limits.
My suggestion would be to either have an instructor or knowledgable friend with you or riding your horse like your friend did and practice these techniques. As you mentioned earlier, respect is a main component in horse ownership and when your horse acts liek this they are disrespecting you. Good luck and keep us posted.
Happy Birthday to you !
I am 42 as well, and loving the
40's so far.
You and Baby Doll will work it out. Mine are buddy and barn sour, but just keep in mind - not letting them have their way. She is testing you, and you have to win. It will get better.
Have a wonderful birthday !
Yay..it's your Birthday!!!! And guess what? I am flying down to come celebrate it with you...I wish!! :)
About that painted pony of yours...I would definitely recommend trying her out with a bit again, and if a snaffle doesn't stop her, try something that gives you a little bit of leverage, like a jointed Tom Thumb or Pelham (leverage due to the shanks). Sometimes they need a gentle reminder aboout who is in charge :)
I had an older, sour mare once (Pinto), and it took me a whole year to improve her attitude. I was also young, had lots of riding experience, and she didn't buck. I hate to sound negative on your birthday, but there are a lot of horses out there that don't buck, and that give their riders a pleasurable ride.
As a mother, I have found that I don't want a horse that I have to fight with...I just want to go out and have fun. That doesn't mean that I mind naughtiness, just not a lot of it, or the kind that makes me feel like I may get injured. Riding should be relaxing and fun for both the horse and the rider.
I hope that you are able to make some progress with her (she obviously has some great points too!!), but just remember that not every horse is a perfect fit for the rider. Sometimes it takes a horse, or two, to find "the one."
Enough lecturing.Have a margarita or a jello shot for me, and enjoy your birthday cake!!! Just watch out for the hydrogenated oils lurking in it...teeheehee!!!
Melanie
It's about time you caught up with me, young whipper snapper.
The fact that any animal that much bigger than us will do any thing at all for us is a mystery to me. I hope you two work it out soon.
Happy Birthday, Lisa - and I didn't forget. You can check my blog out this evening.
I don't have anything to add to the good advice you have received so far. Patience, consistency and persistence go a long way.
Best wishes,
Dan
If I could send you a six-pack of experience and a case of confidence for your birthday, believe me, I would. But since I can't, I'll just offer this - be a sponge. Take every lesson, go to every clinic, and watch every training show on RFD-TV that you can. Baby Doll knows it all already, and she's just taking advantage of the fact that you don't. You CAN catch up to her. (Been there!)
And a happy birthday from me too! I think you should hog-tie Baby Doll and spank her on the butt 42 times. Just kidding. Val is wonderful. Honestly, after some of the stories I've heard from my farrier today about horses misbehaving, being barn sour isn't that bad. Every horse comes with its challenges. B.D. has just got to learn your rules over time. The cacti are definitely a problem, and you can't train them to get out of the way. My first thought before you said it was to try a bit in the mouth. Once she's behaving in the bit, you can move her back to the bitless bridle. Also, work on "HO!" from the ground, then from the saddle.
Awww, that's sad, don't cry!! HAPPY Birthday! :-P
Daisy acts like this sometimes when she hasn't been ridden in awhile--she gets the idea "I'm done, I'm goin' home"...when she does it (this is just to me personally) I back her up for a longgggg way. You said that Baby Doll tried to back her way to the barn? Then back her. Whenever Daisy decides that she's going to back, I think "Ok, you wanna back? Fine. Then back" and I make her back for a long time after she's already sick of backing. I also do "rein gives"...you pull one rein so that you bring the horse's head to your leg and let the other rein hang loose...or you can try round penning her. Have you ever done a join up? You keep driving the horse around and around, working it, turning it, until it shows signs of submission (Lowered head, inside ear on you, licking her lips, trying to slow down and come to you) and then you let the whip down, turn away from the horse, and they should walk up to you because they now want to be with you...with some horses it can take a long time-up to 1/2 an hour, or more. Others just need this for a short time as a reminder...Daisy was roundpenned EVERY DAY with her old owner...
Or you can try feeding Baby Doll calming stuff...Daisy gets "Vita-Calm" in with her grain daily because she's often "mare-ish"...you could try Vita-Calm from the Animed co. or this stuff called Super Calm...I've noticed with Daisy that it makes a difference...not a huge one, but just enough to calm her bits of stubbornness...
Sorry my comment is so long...Hope it works out!
I'm soooooo sorry that you've had to spend your birthday going over all that in your head.
I know exactly how you are feeling, but feel my experience won't help you one bit.
Just three bits of advice with a barn sour horse:
Wear a helmet, always, always, always. It will save your life. It did mine!
Never ride her alone (on the back forty) without taking a cell phone.
Keep working with her and don't let her win. If she wigs out again, do what your trainer said--make her do more work ( right on your property--within sight of the barn) before she goes back to the barn.
I wish I had productive advice. My horse won the barn sour war. You and BD have a special bond, Luke and I did not. After a terrible 'wreck' and a couple thousand dollars of training, I gave up.
Remember that you can't love the misbehavior out of them. I forgot that my horse wasn't a just a big dog.
(((HUGS))) and HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!! Remember, we only get smarter as we age. Would you be in your 20's again? I suspect the answer is "Heck NO!".
HAPPY B-Day! ;)
I hope it was great!
Sounds like you are going through a lot of the experiences my mom went through as a newbie horse owner. I think BD will be a great horse, she just needs to know you are confident and won't let her get away with things. I agree that whatever you do, don't let her go home without getting home and working her tootie off! Even if that means longing her in the round pen for another 15 minutes udner saddle. She'll quickly learn that home does not always mean rest! Also, if she's misbehaving under saddle, go back to groundwork. Start there with your respect, disengagement, moving away from pressure, etc. This will really help her see you as her leader. Try exploring Parelli or Clinton Anderson techniques, as far as groundwork and the barn sour. And, as someone else already said, wear your helmet! The crowhopping is not a full-on "I want to get rid of you" move (if she wanted to, she could do it much quicker and easier than that) but it's a definite displeasure and disrespect and you could get caught off guard and find yourself in the dust.
Keep us posted on how it goes. Don't give up! It will get better! ;)
I'm just overwhelmed with everyone's wonderful birthday wishes, helpful advice and kind words of support.
I am going to take everything to heart and work more closely with Baby Doll, making sure she learns to respect me, while I build my skills and confidance. I agree that a return to more ground work is big part of that, too, and plan to get busy in the round pen. I also plan to buy a new bridle with a snaffle (I'm thinking D-Ring. Any suggestions?) and some rope reins. With all her pulling and yanking, I think I'd like to give my nice leather reins a break!
Also thanks for such sweet comments about my horse and encouraging me not give up hope. Baby Doll is more than just a pretty painted horse of color. In fact when I first saw her I honesty didn't even focus on her flashy paint. I looked at her eyes and body shape, trying to see if they were soft, calm and relaxed.
As I worked with her during my weekly lessons, I realized how comfortable I felt with her on the ground, which to me, as someone new handling horses was so important.
So, now we just have to work on those same feelings of trust and confidance and respect in the saddle.
Thanks again everyone.....
Just so you know, I ate an extra big slice of Dairy Queen Ice Cream Cake just in your honor!
:D
~Lisa
Glad to see that you are feeling better! Go ahead and "cowgirl" up a bit...see if it helps :)
After reading the other responses, I feel like mine sounds kind of gloomy and doomy, which is not my intention at all. I have just been where you are before, and it is important to have FUN and feel safe on your horse. I don't have much of a tolerance for "broncy" horses anymore...this coming from a girl who rode and worshipped one for 16 years!I have discovered (in my old age!) that there are hundreds of horses out there, who wouldn't even think of crow-hopping or bucking (something that was a new concept to me, considering my past horse!). The horse that I ride now has never bucked, to anyone's knowledge, and I don't think that it would even cross his mind.
Only time and experience will tell what becomes of your riding relationship with Baby Doll, and I personally think that you will be able to overcome this little bump in the road, but just don't lose your passion in the process aka "don't get hurt and become scared."
I agree that she is trying to pull one over on you. Have you ever had lessons with Baby Doll?
You and Baby Doll obviously have a connection, but if you cannot get to a place where you feel safe and in control, maybe consider riding one of Val's horses on the trail until you are confident enough to be able to handle whatever Baby Doll throws at you.
Again, don't take anything I say personally, I just want to see you have fun, and not get hurt. Us moms have to look out for each other :)
Pheww....now I need a drink...lol!!!
Happy Birthday again!!!
Melanie
Well now, you are just a baby! Happy Birthday.
I am sure things will be just fine with Baby Doll.
You have so much to be thankful for. Here is to at least another 42 more wonderful birthdays.
Pam
I'm a litle late on this one - so happy belated birthday!
Sorry to hear that you had some troubles with Baby Doll - I'm sure you will get it worked out. She is a good horse and just isn't used to some of the things you are asking her. I'm sure you guys will work through it...!
Happy Birthday, sweet lady! I wish I had advice for you. (If I did, you should ignore it!) :) I hope your problems work themselves out. I am miserable when a horse misbehaves for me--I can feel your pain.
Happy Birthday, Lisa! Some ice cream always goes a long way towards making anyone feel better. I'm sorry that Baby Doll is being punky, but it's part of the horse owner package. They all do it, at one time or another. In fact, in the wild, every day, the members of the herd challenge the leader, just to be sure they've chosen the best horse to tell them what to do. Have you been to Carolyn Resnick's blog? She just posted some good advice about working with barn sour horses. Take a step back with Baby Doll and do smaller, less ambitious things - lots of groundwork - to re-establish your position as the leader. It will give you more confidence too. A snaffle is a good idea when you ride her. You're lucky to have an instructor that you like, so work together to come up with a plan to communicate more clearly with Baby Doll. I'll bet you felt uncertain about going down those rocky trails and she picked right up on it and took charge of the situation - She thought the safest place you guys could go was back home.
Wishing you a happy belated birthday!! By the way, you're just a "young pup!" I have had a few frustrating horses in my time but patience and perseverance will win out in the end. The thing is...those really frustrating ones? they also can be the most rewarding when it "clicks"! Hang in there!
Happy belated Birthday! Sorry to hear that Baby Doll is pushing your buttons. I think the most important thing is for you not to be discouraged or lose confidence in riding you are fortunate that Val is a very good neighbour who will help you through Baby Dolls stubbonness. Keep riding and enjoying yourself, be confident!
Is your name Lisa? Mine too! I have a suggestion for the barn sour mare. Go out for a ride, when she gets to acting that way again take her home and put her in the round pen and run and run and run her until she knows that going home isn't always fun. It might take a few times but it WILL work.
Hi Melanie,
(when I first typed your name, I left out the 'l'. The result got me giggling! hehe Ok, so I'm weird!)
Thanks a bunch for your caring concern. That is good wisdom and advice. Feeling fear is no fun. Adrenaline is fun...to an extent. A little bit is exciting, but as I get older....steady eddy has become my preference.
Baby Doll actually seems to either like this, too, of senses that I prefer to walk, instead of taking off. Her rough start trot, sort of a jump to begin is unnerving and her trot is very jiggy and bouncy. Not too fun.
I do enjoy riding Val's 25 yr old horse, Nadia when we got out on trail. But I'm working with Baby Doll in the round pen and arena and up in our pasture because my goal is to get us out together on trail one day.
We had a good day yesterday when Val took my horse out in the back 40. We really worked Baby Doll, especially on the barn sour. There were a bunch of moments where I had hope and feel that the problem is solveable...with persistance and patience. Which we have plenty of around here :)
Thanks again, your Mom-sense and horse-sense means alot ot me :)
Awww, thanks GA Farm Woman! Adding up the two numbers comes to 84! Gah! I cannot even imagine. Sounds so OLD. But I did used to think 40 was ancient, so my perspective must be too shortsighted. hehe
Hi Laura, Thanks :) I think you're right. And she is a great horse. We have a bond on the ground. Just need to get it carried up into the saddle now.
haha! The Wades, you always crack me up. That's one of the reasons I keep coming back to your blog. That and the wonderful stuff you all are doing on Galloping Grace Youth Ranch. Thanks for the birthday wishes :)
Thanks for all the helpful advice, Victoria. And for the birthday wishes. My friend Val has been riding Baby Doll on trail while I ride her in the round pen, arena and the pasture. Along with ground work, consistant riding, snaffle, and trail work with my friend I feel as if Baby Doll is coming around and the problems are solveable.
I will check out Carolyn Resnick's blog, too. One can never get anough information and stop learning when it comes to horsemanship.
Oh, and I don't think Baby Doll was worried about the rocky hills as she took them calmly and surefootedly. Rather it was her sense that we were heady in the direction of home. And she wanted that to happen sooner than later.
I was impressed with how well she does on trail actually. She's alert, focused, curious yet calm and quiet. I see alot of potential in her. :)
Thanks again.
Hi Wrensong,
That is the resounding message I keep receiving: Patience and Perserverance. And most folks have told me the same about how the most challenging horses end up being the most rewarding~The real keepers. I look forward to those days more than you know :)
Thanks again for the support and birthday wishes, too.
White Lilly,
Thank you SO SO much. Your words are simple, yet mean the world to me. What a briliant message. I will keep them close as a reminder to myself how blessed I am and to just keep enjoying my horse and building my horsemanship skills.
Thank you very much for the birthday wishes, too :)
Hi Lisa! Nice to meet you. Thanks for stopping by. And thanks for the great advice. I'll take it! hehe
Happy Belated Birthday! Wine and whine with cake are both good.
Lisa,
It was good to read some background on your continuing saga with your painted girl. I know nothing about horses obviously - but I now know why I haven't been on or around one since 2nd grade. They can be pretty unpredictable:( I found myself wondering, as I read this post, if BD feels more safe in their own surroundings - Or maybe without other horses, unless there's a definite fence between.
Being a horse, a little riding on the trails is ok , as that's what horses do. But maybe something has frightened her somewhere along the way. It seemed to me, (who knows nothing about horses) that Val's horse was confident and the Alpha horse on this ride and BD wasn't as sure of herself. We don't talk their language - but something was shared between the two on this ride. BD must have decided, after the rest at Sunflower lane, that she'd had enough and rest was what felt good and maybe even safe to her. I think she has some fear issues.
I understand the need to have your horse under your control, and BD has some control issues - that's plain to see. Can horses be born with a defiant attitude - or do they develop it somewhere along the way?
I'm thinking that until you know her whole history, and can pin point some particular situations that fostered this kind of behavior, so as to work specifically on those points - that you may be balking at this same behavior every ride.
I don't know if you've ridden her out on the trail alone or not, and I understand your reluctance - but maybe she does better riding alone with out a lead horse. Maybe someone less reluctant than you and more apt at handling such behavior, could take her out for rides without another horse and see how she responds - if you haven't done this all ready :)
Sorry Lisa. I keep going back to the point where you said that it was her eyes that drew you to her. That's why I think she has fear issues. In the barn area, she's safe and doesn't have to perform. Her fears present themselves on the trail. (Again, I haven't read your entire archive about your painted girl - so I'm just a shot in the dark :) Have you taken her to a "Horse Whisperer"?
I pray for you and RJ and the family daily. You've etched a permanent spot in my heart that has your name on it. I look forward to your posts.
Hang in there.
Hugs,
Patrina
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